nrsv vs nasb

NASB and NIV seem to be ... That KJV vs. NIV argument kills me. The ESV and HCSB two times; and NASB three times. The ESV is a scholarly translation and will become known as such. Steven Avery of Queens, NY BUSTED COLD LYING!!!! So here is my individual conclusion to each of the three excellent translations. The NASB, like the RSV, is also a direct revision of the old ASV. Do you have a favourite you refer to? “Kevin, I think you’d like a comparison with the REB to the TNIV and HCSB.”. This form is nominative singular not dative anything. A. N., Son of EIN SOF. The options are: “We love Him because He first loved us” versus “We love because He first loved us.” The issue here is not translation style. The NRSV is not as literal as the NASB and is slightly less literal than the ESV; but yet, it is very accurate. When my original copy fell apart I bought the 1995 update, which was more readable but slightly less literal. The 2020 is unusually wordy for the NASB. Do you have any suggestions for that third? Kevin, here is the link from the ESV blog. What about the REB if you add a third? I just noticed this final report and so decided to edit my post and move it here. When checking a versions accuracy, I compare them to an interlinear translation. ), though I still use the old RSV a lot too. Plus, the use of inclusive language makes it less accurate. Change ). This may be a post-modern approach but I do respect each person’s preference. What I like about this one is that it has a full concordance in addition to the interlinear, plus it has Strong`s numbers above every word. This is the last of this comparison series between the NASB, ESV and NRSV. For example, in 1 John 4:19 the KJV and NKJV include the word Him after “we love,” but the other five translations do not. But with so many options available, I don’t think so. The NIV is very easy to read but may lack the accuracy of the NASB. Kevin, I really appreciate these comparisons. Kevin, I think you’d like a comparison with the REB to the TNIV and HCSB. I had started a TNIV/HCSB/NET/ISV “median translation comparison” post at one point in time, but never got around to doing anything with it. Throw in the older New English Bible and original Jerusalem Bible for reference. The NRSV follows the RSV in being in a more liberal tradition (for example, Is 7:14 as Jimmy points out below has the same problem in both the NRSV and RSV), whereas the ESV is more conservative. I tend to agree with the conclusion from this site: http://bible-researcher.com/esv.html, “So, for close study the ESV is less suitable than the NASB or NKJV. The New American Standard Bible (NASB), first appearing as just the Gospel of John in 1960, followed by the New Testament in 1963 and the Old Testament in 1971, also claimed to be an authorized revision of the ASV, hence its name. I would like someone to comment on the choice of translation in the ESV on Malachi 2:16. Like the NRSV when it first came out, ESV translators also made distinctly unique decisions regarding the rendering of certain passages. On the other hand, I cannot see any realistic prospect of either NASB or NRSV being seriously, if at all, revised – because of a shrinking constituency for either. The NASB was my first choice Bible for reading, studying and preaching. The NASB is the more literal version, and is probably more accurate as a result. This was a very interesting experiment, and I would love to see it taken even further at some point in the near future, as these, IMHO are three of the very best translations available. Thanks. I might add in a third but I’m not sure what that might be. Kevin, if you are doing a comparison of the TNIV and HCSB next I would strongly recommend NLTse for a third. Further study this year has convinced me that it really is the best English version available, and would be superb if properly revised. I’m giving it another go. Does not use the older/poetic English forms (may be viewed as a positive or negative) ESV. Graham, thanks for spotting this. Lately it seems I’ve been doing a lot of comparison with the ESV, TNIV, HCSB, and most recently now the REB. I don’t think this is a case of conservative bias—just a decision that could go either way. I bought an NRSV fairly soon after it was released. Heck, I just bought another ESV this week, could not resist the pocket reference single column bible that just came out. Anyway, if you hear anything more about it, I`d appreciate it very much if you posted it here. The ESV could seriously challenge the NRSV as my main Bible if only it were available with these books (preferably in something like the HarperCollins Study Bible). Formal equivalence comparison #4: NASB vs ESV vs NRSV - Acts 2 March 30, 2008 The comparison between formal translations of the Tyndale tradition continues with Acts chapter 2. I also have really enjoyed the NJB but almost no one has heard of it. I have long thought this to be true, but it seems for many blogs I’ve read, once that statement is made about readability, it’s the end of any discussion about the NASB being usable. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors And do not bring us to the time of trial, but rescue us from the evil one. I use douay-rheims + Luther Bibel + NASB + electronic interlinear versions when I need to do serious "work". Moreover, I would prefer using “who” instead of the outdated “whom.” 1) The NIV is easier to read for most normal people. It uses “people” (63%) more often than “man/men” (38%). What about the English Standard Version? Also, it is always good to stick with genuine leather if possible. I think the addition of an ESV apocrypha will be really good for the ESV translation itself. Nathan, I know Elshaddai loves the REB, but I’ve never used it. I also would like to say, I think Peter is correct to a great extent about the obvious theological views of the ESV translators showing up in their choice of renderings. Lastly, I would like to pose a question to you of much more erudition than myself. I have an NRSV new Oxford annotated bible, but I found all the footnotes distracting during prayer time, so I picked up a Catholic RSV "Ignatius" Bible. John 3:16 Paraphrase Translations. Isn’t there a difference between perfect (error-free) and deliberately distorted? I took a look at Mark 13:14 (οπου ου δει, where not ought) and this is what I think. The ESV website says now in its FAQ, that another publisher (other than Crossway) is preparing a version of the ESV with the apocrypha. I have recently started to consult the ESV much more often because I have discovered its excellence. Now it feels normal to me and I can’t go back to a masculine-dominant translation. 2 Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying: 3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. For a formal translation, I’m probably too ingrained with the NASB to ever consider the ESV or NRSV as a permanent change. It won’t be the first evangelical translation to do so because the NLT has one. From what I gather from the Amazon reviews, it sounds really good because it has Strong’s numbers and a full concordance. No, I’ve never done a comparison with the NAB, NJB, ISV, or REB before. Excellent for serious Bible study; 1995 revision is more readable than 1977 (Note that the 1977 version uses "Thee" and "Thou" to distinguish God.) One of the tough things for me for some time was the NRSV`s rendering “mortal” instead of the traditional “son of man” when speaking to, for example, Ezekiel. I am finding NASB to be pretty good. I know this is a very old post but I’ve just spotted a contradiction between two of your statements. TC, I was wrong about προφῆτις. Reply. John 3:16 (NRSV) For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. A place to discuss Bible versions, Bible translational and historical issues, etc. As an example, see 2 Timothy 2:2, where ESV breaks its regular translation principles to render “men” rather than “people”, the only justification being a presupposition, in fact falsified by 1:5 and 3:14,15, that women can never be qualified to teach others. A prayer of a righteous person, when it is brought about, can accomplish much. And of course, I will do the same. Kevin, that’s exactly my point. L. Wells, I wish ESV could provide more information. So my search for a formal equivalent translation will continue on sometime into the future. Depending on what I’m looking at I usually go to one of a handful of translations to see alternative renderings. The NASB is an original translation from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts, based on the same principles of translation, and wording, as the American Standard Version (ASV) of 1901. With the ESV, it sort of fills a void that the NASB cannot fill because it stands in between the NASB and HCSB-TNIV. NRSV has a cheaper concordance, so if you're doing "serious academic" stuff, that may be a factor for you. ESV vs. NRSV So, I have been dabbling a bit into my new ESV with Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) for the past few days. Also, ten years on from the original post, has your opinion changed at all? The NASB brackets John 5:3b-4; the ESV footnotes those verses. Despite this inconsistency, I would still consider it an excellent translation and trustworthy. Literal while retaining better readability than the NASB; I’m currently reading the TNIV Books of the Bible and (coincidentally) wondering how it compares to the HCSB, so the next series is perfect! Nathan, I’m trying to keep this third translation near the intermediate range between FE and DE. Contemporary, dignified with generic language in reference to humans. The ESV is second in literalness after the NASB. I’m glad you still use the NKJV and NASB because they’re great reliable formal translations. The NRSV translators made choices to go with slightly different rendering from the traditional ones and that may be due to a more liberal Christian worldview or just a different way of handling the original text. Word Study Greek-English New Testament: with complete concordance (Hardcover)by Paul McReynolds (Editor). We, however, will not boast beyond limits, but will keep within the field that God has assigned to us, to reach out even as far as you. If you want a fairly literal translation and even greater readability than the ESV, plus gender-neutral language, then the NRSV is best. It’s interesting why the NRSV and TNIV would want to use “prophet” for προφῆτις. I do remember though, that it is a pretty obscure verse to translate, and the ESV`s rendering is probably as valid as the traditional ones. Many people said that it was more readable than the NASB but that wasn’t my experience. I don’t remember all of the details, but the only discussion I’ve seen about it was at the Bible Design and Binding blog. I’ll reserve further recommendation based on whether or not you are going to do a four-way layout again or not. I’ll have to check it out one day. Many thanks to all who contribute. If you are planning to do another series my vote would be: HCSB/TNIV/NET. I later got used to inclusive language in other trans. ElShaddai, maybe you should be doing that series on “literary excellence”? Just wondered which statement you think is correct? I wouldn’t be so quick to right off the NKJV. The ESV sometimes translates Adelphoi as brothers, sometimes brothers and sisters or something along those “inclusive” lines (shrug). But a look to Strong`s and The NIV Exhaustive Concordance (man I wish they made one of these keyed to NRSV)seems to more than justify such a rendering IMHO. Did you know that a revision of the NASB is underway, and is planned for release in 2017? Valerie, I’m excited to see you are reading The Books of the Bible as well. Maybe you can add the ISV http://www.isv.org to it since I have found that the ISV philosophy of translation is very similiar to the HCSB.Randy. Another interesting bible translation comparison would be a “literary excellence” series, featuring the KJV, REB and New Jerusalem Bible (NJB). I just wish that I knew enough to tell the difference — which is why I’m so very grateful for the effort you’re putting into this. Check out ESV’s blog post here . Attempts a balance between word-for-word and thought-for-thought. In essence, I think the NASB vs ESV question will have resolved itself in favour of the ESV. Kevin, I’m in essential agreement with your conclusions on all three formal translations. I was wondering if there are any advantes of the RSV over the NRSV. All this being said, I think you got it right, in a nutshell Kevin. NASB 2020. My 40 year old brain tends to misfire when I try to go from memory. Kevin, I am looking forward toward your TNIV and HCSB comparison. These are all less common translations in my circle of influence. Also, the ESV`s rendering in the 2001 edition was changed at some point in one of the revisions, because the 2007 version I have seemed a little “looser” with the translation of that verse than the 2001 edition. Those inverted negatives are weird. From a detailed perspective, it is definitely the most literal in the majority of cases; and overall, from a broader perspective, it is still the most literal of the three. Even though it is less wordy, it amazes me that it is also more readable than the NASB. These latter versions, despite their difficulties and obscurities, continue to be the most useful for detailed and careful study.”. this lamp has moved! Kevin, I removed my comment, since you did the right thing in removing that malicious comment. Both the ESV and NRSV are excellent because of their mixture of both readability and accuracy—something the NASB cannot claim. While the ESV is not my primary text, I still find it an excellent translation. The Greek, although a little difficult, is rather simple. I think the English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament: ESV is great too. I am open minded to all opinions, but I would like scriptural support of version preference. NASB 1995. May I change my vote to ISV? the NASB and the NRSV together. The REB is one I`ve had some interest in for a while. Definitely. Hi Mark, surprised I hadn’t read this one before, but Alexander’s comment alerted me to it. Very late comment on an excellent extended blog! 4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. I am hoping and praying they make a nicer copy of it in a more traditional leather bound copy. I found that T/NIV, HCSB, NASB also use “it.”. dcsj on October 3, 2019 at 12:30 pm. I have found the history in the Maccabbees interesting. ( Log Out /  Give us this day our daily bread. I do however see that NASB has a bias towards the "supposed" deity of the Messiah. And where it renders “man” is: 1 Tim.2:5; 5:24; 2 Tim. In conservative-evangelical seminaries, the NASB is still highly regarded. I`ve noticed this to be much more glaring in the ESV than the NRSV. Does a translation have to get it all right for it to be considered trustworthy? I have found that the various translations all render this quite differently. Translators of the NASB have done an excellent job and notably so. ( Log Out /  You are right, there is not a big difference. I noticed that both NASB and NRSV have their own bias, but NRSV seems to be more honest since it provides footnotes of other possible translations. And just what you think of these bibles. But it’s the Bible of many academics. nasb vs. nrsv 01/18/2007 11:57 Filed in: Faith & Reason In the comments of a previous post , regular This Lamp commenter, "Larry" has challenged my assertion that the NASB is more literal than the NRSV. I still like the REB, HCSB, and TNIV comparison as proposed by Nathan. lexicons) keyed to it, which is my problem with my two favorites, the NRSV and ESV. You might also want to see the translation note on the NET bible. Thanks for the good work done here. This is beyond me, as Strong`s and the like do not define articles such as these, and I`m no Greek scholar. The language of the NRSV is also a strength because it makes it more readable than the NASB, and even the ESV. I’ve been wondering why no one talks about that one. I`m enjoying, and learning from everyone`s posts. Lastly, the one other advantage with the NRSV over the NJB or NAB is the … If I`m not mistaken it was the ASV……of course my 40 year ld memory could be a failing. There has been some speculation and discussion about this. Search for a formal translation: NASB vs ESV vs NRSV March 08, 2008 In the future, I will be blogging on formal equivalent translations doing a comparison of how it renders specific scriptural passages. I use both. Packer (an evangelical yes, but also an ordained Anglican) served as the general editor of the translation. Yoda’s voice…hehe. If you want a fairly high degree of literalness but without the awkward choppiness of the NASB, and a conservative evangelical theological outlook, then the ESV is the best. TC, I think the TNIV may still accurate in its rendering of “prophet.” This may be due to the subjective interpretation of the translator, and not due to inaccuracy. Concerning the ESV with deuterocanonicals, I think it would be a very good thing for a more moderate to conservative Episcopalian like myself. Matthew 5:1-12 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) The Beatitudes. Accuracy and literalness should not be equated as the same thing. KJV-onlyism discussion allowed in KJO forum o. I got NASB and NRSV here on my desk. I also think something important for a main translation is having study materials (i.e. The entire verse is difficult. 2:2; 3:2,17. It is excellent for careful exegetical bible studies. I never was a big user of the NRSV, but my Greek instructor loved it. What version is better and why? Just thought someone here might have a bit more info. Thanks for your help Kevin. Well, even after a decade of writing this post, I am still referring to both the NRSV and the ESV. It might even move it one notch higher in making it a more sought out bible for academic purposes and for reading purposes. One thing we MUST remember is that the textual footnotes of a translation are every bit as important as the words chosen by the translators to use in the actual text. I will try and take another look at it and see if I can be more specific with my information. The NRSV, NASB, NET, TNIV say: “For I hate divorce.” The HCSB says: “he hates. (okay, now I’ll just lurk *blush*). Robert, I remember encountering that verse in the ESV a while back, and did some comparisons. But then again, I also had to do that to NRSV. I think you should do that CEV, ISV, and GNB comparison. It’s the translation I tend to go to first. If you were then (blush blush). This is why the textual footnotes are just as important as the textual body. How does it really stack up, aside from it`s great popularity? 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